Moral Failures and Political Leadership – Christians and Voting 102
Nick – All those things we fear from the Obama camp existed in full power in the Roman era of church history.
Georgia – And Christians had already been told that the Roman Empire would fall. And they did largely because of their moral failings. Why would we wish to replicate their failure?
Nick – I’m not sure how a strong American military protects the interests of the worldwide kingdom of God.
Georgia – Terrorists bring Islam, which seeks to kill Christianity. Russia and China bring different brands of socialism, which seeks to destroy Christianity.
Nick – American conservatism has wrapped itself in the “Christian flag” and the name of Christ is blasphemed worldwide because our conservative administrations have operated under a general maxim that “whatever is good for America must be good for God.”
Georgia – True, for the most part.
Nick – Conservatives have no problem spouting Jesus rhetoric to get elected and then supporting and expanding policies that show no concern for the economic exploitation of weaker nations and the ecological destruction of the world God gave his people to steward.
Georgia – True, for the most part.
Nick – Liberal politics attack Christ.
Georgia – Very true.
Nick – Conservative politics kiss His cheek and then betray Him for their own ends. How do I decide between these poles?
Georgia – But they are not hostile to Christianity. This is what I am trying to get you to see. Conservatives are not perfect and have been hypocritical. Yet, the fact that they are not hostile to religious freedoms makes them better in my eyes. We have to look at the larger picture here.
Judas wasn’t hostile to Jesus? I do not understand how that can be true.
I agree that we should not replicate the moral failings of the Roman Empire. But God destroyed that empire, not Christian piety. By the time that empire was destroyed, Christianity had nestled itself deeply in the heart of the empire anyway.
Which is the greater concern for Christianity? Social peace that leads to apathy by which the name of God is blasphemed, or aggression from the powers of darkness, against which we have a certain and sure promise of victory?
I will not vote for those that would directly attack Christianity, but my conscience burns at voting for Judas.
Georgia – OK, you lost me on the Judas angle.
“Conservative politics kiss His cheek and then betray Him for their own ends.”
Conservative politics do exactly what Judas did. That is “the Judas angle.” The current political system requires me to choose between a machine that would destroy the church under its boot (if God would allow it) and a machine that would kiss the church’s cheek like Judas and then hand it over to the highest bidder.
I just don’t see these as equitable. I expect you mean that the GOP does very little to help the poor, which is very important to you. I would agree. Yet, they are not hostile to allowing the Church the freedom to operate and prosper so we can help the poor [of which we need to do a better job]. However, if the other party keeps us from practicing and prospering, then we cannot help the poor like we should.
The Dems do a better job of helping the poor. But, they do so as a means to an end and not out of pure altruism. They help the poor largely as a means of control so they can continue in power and advance their moral/social change.
Conservatives have the idea of offering the poor a more long-term goal to rise out of poverty and to be the best they can be. That was what Reagan preached. The Dems want to keep them poor and happy so they can facilitate the arrival of Socialism. Study why Communism failed.
(quoting Georgia) “The Dems do a better job of helping the poor. But, they do so as a means to an end and not out of pure altruism. They help the poor largely as a means of control so they can continue in power and advance their moral/social change.”
I agree. The Dem party wants to force everyone to pay more taxes so that they can spend the money on spreading their vision of utopia. That is not compassion; it is compulsion.
(Quoting Georgia) “Conservatives have the idea of offering the poor a more long-term goal to rise out of poverty and to be the best they can be. That was what Reagan preached.”
EXACTLY my point. This is what the GOP preaches (and no more altruistically than the Dems, I might add).
But what they DO is cater to multinational corporations whose only interest is creating wealth.
What the GOP did in the 80s was create a ton of minimum-wage jobs that most people have to work TWO of just to take care of their families.
What the GOP did (and does) is continue to foster the growth and development of radical Islamic terrorism by first arming and then abandoning Afghanistan, aligning us with political Israel in order to placate the Jewish and rapturist Christian electorate, and continuing to support economic tyranny in the Muslim world.
What both parties do is preach that a nation that consumes 60% of the world’s resources needs a stronger economy that will consume more resources. The Dems imagine that this will happen through implementation of neo-socialist ideas. The GOP believes this will happen by taxing the rich less, removing ecological restrictions, and encouraging “development” that in actuality destroys.
Both parties want to implement their own secular eschatology of utopia. One kicks Christianity in the face, while the other kisses up to it and then betrays it. Both serve political expedience. Both parties have true believers in them, but like EVERY OTHER institution not founded by God, they are dominated by the powers of this age.
More to come!
in HIS love,